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Afternoon summary

  • EU leaders are planning a meeting in December to discuss Brexit without the British prime minister, the Guardian has learnt. (See 5.03pm.)

That’s all from me for today.

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EU leaders planning to meet next month to discuss Brexit without UK

Theresa May was not invited to a European Union summit in Bratislava soon after she became prime minister. She will have to get used to it.

EU leaders are planning a meeting in December to discuss Brexit without the British prime minister, the Guardian has learnt.

Donald Tusk, the president of the European council, wants the EU’s 27 remaining member states to discuss Brexit around the time of an EU summit scheduled for 15-16 December, according to two Brussels sources.

The British prime minister would attend the EU summit, but would not be invited to separate Brexit talks, the third time the UK has been excluded from leaders’ talks since it joined the bloc in 1973. EU leaders met without David Cameron soon after the Brexit vote and held the summit in Slovakia without Theresa May in September.

The meeting is a sign the EU27 are intensifying preparations on Britain’s EU exit ahead of article 50, which May has promised to trigger by the end of March.

Once the UK fires the starting gun on talks, the EU will spend four to eight weeks drawing up detailed guidelines for negotiations, a list of red lines that could cover everything from the single market to the status of Gibraltar.

That work hasn’t started yet, but Tusk wants to start preparing the ground. One senior EU diplomat told the Guardian the guidelines would be a trade off between speed and precision: “if the guidelines remain flexible they are easier to adopt, if they are very detailed, they are likely to take more time.”

Brussels diplomats are keenly following Brexit fallout in the UK. Some say they have been shocked by the UK media response to the high court decision on parliament’s role and the government’s limited defence of British judges.

Welsh government's law officer condemns coverage of article 50 high court judgment

The Welsh government’s law officer has strongly criticised the attacks on the Brexit high court judgement and explained why he wants to be able to make representations at the supreme court hearing.

Assembly member Mick Antoniw, Counsel General for Wales, said the judgement had been deliberately misrepresented by some. He said:

There are those who have deliberately chosen to misrepresent the facts to challenge the independence of the judiciary, one of the cornerstones of our democratic parliamentary system. The reporting of this judgment in some newspapers was frankly a disgrace and an insult to the good name of journalism.

The democratic structure of the UK and indeed this assembly is built on a foundation of the rule of law and the independence of our judicial system. The tragic recent history of Europe is littered with examples of countries that overthrew the rule of law and undermined the independence of the courts. That road is not a democratic one and leads only in one direction. I would hope those who may have made comments and statements in haste, will want to reflect.

Explaining to the assembly in Cardiff why he wants to appear in person at the supreme court hearing, Antoniw said:

I consider that this case raises issues of profound importance not only in relation to the concept of parliamentary sovereignty but also in relation to the wider constitutional arrangements of the United Kingdom and the legal framework for devolution.

I think it is of paramount importance to emphasise at this point that despite the political furore surrounding it and the frankly alarming tone of much of the press coverage, as the high court itself said, this case involves a pure question of law. It is not concerned with the merits and demerits of leaving the European Union and the politics surrounding that.

The sole legal question at issue is whether the UK Government can as a matter of constitutional law use the prerogative powers to give notice of withdrawal from the European Union. In seeking to intervene in any appeal, the Welsh government will seek to reinforce the importance of parliamentary sovereignty and the rule of law: core, established principles of British constitutional law.

Antoniw emphasised that the Welsh government was not seeking to reverse the result of the referendum. He said:

Having outlined what the case is about I should also make a comment on what it is not about. The first minister has made crystal clear and I repeat that sentiment now: the Welsh government respects the result of the referendum and this is absolutely not about overturning that decision.

The legal commentator Joshua Rozenberg has posted a good story on his Facebook page. He says that Liz Truss, the lord chancellor and justice secretary, is being sued by six high court judges for age discrimination. Two of the judges are also claiming sexual discrimination and racial discrimination respectively.

Here is an extract from Rozenberg’s post.

All the claims relate to reduced benefits the judges can expect to receive under a new judicial pension scheme introduced last year.

A two-week hearing has been arranged before a tribunal judge who is not affected by the new pension arrangements. There could be further hearings before appeal judges.

It’s thought to be unprecedented for serving judges to sue the lord chancellor and the Ministry of Justice.

Turning back to the IFS report (pdf), this is interesting. It’s a table showing how many of the fiscal targets set by the Treasury since 1997 have been met.

The IFS counts 12 targets in all, and concludes that only two of them have been hit. Both were rolling targets that did not involve balancing the budget in a given year, but setting plans that involved balancing the current budget over a five-year, and then later a three-year, timetable. That may sound like cheating, but the IFS commends this approach.

Only two targets managed to be met consistently: that is the coalition government’s initial target to aim for a cyclically-adjusted balance on the current budget five years out and its subsequent revised target to aim to achieve this three years out. It is perhaps not a coincidence that these two targets also had much to commend them. In contrast the other targets either had more thresholds that were more arbitrary (“when did the cycle start and end?”, “why 40% of GDP?”, “why should debt definitely fall between two future points in time?”, “why should welfare spending definitely be below some fixed level?”) and/or were not sufficiently flexible in the face of adverse fiscal shocks (“why must there be an overall surplus in 2019–20?”, “why must borrowing in 2013–14 be no more than half what it was in 2009–10?”). The weaknesses of these other targets often meant that their abandonment was preferable than trying slavishly to adhere to them.

Here are some more pictures from Theresa May’s India tour today.

And this is what Number 10 said about the visit in a briefing note sent out in advance.

The prime minister will visit the Sri Someshwara Temple in the Ulsoor District of Bengaluru later today to pay her respects at this ancient Hindu place of worship.

She will be welcomed by a guard of honour consisting of garlanders (who place a garland of fragrant flowers around the neck) and musicians playing drums and horns.

She will then tour the temple, built by the Chola dynasty (300 BCE–1279 CE) and showcasing an impressive mixture of Chola, Hoysala and Vijayanagar architecture.

Someshwara means “he who wears the moon on his head”, and is another name for Lord Shiva, one of the principal deities in the Hindu triumvirate.

The prime minister will conclude her visit by participating in a Hindu Aarti (blessing). Aarti is a part of pooja (prayer) in which light from wicks soaked in ghee (purified butter) or camphor is offered to the deities. The prime minister will draw her hands together across the top of the flame and touch her eyes, in a traditional ritual. She will then be offered Kumkum Tika (red power) to touch and dab a single spot on her forehead.

A senior City figure who was a remain supporter during the EU referendum has urged Theresa May to “get cracking” with the process of Brexit, warning that any delays would only cause more uncertainty for business.

John Nelson, the chairman of Lloyd’s of London, said: “To be blunt with you, the longer the uncertainty goes on the worse it is for business.”

His intervention, while travelling to India as part of a delegation accompanying the prime minister, is significant because he has been a vocal opponent of so-called hard Brexit.

But while some pro-EU campaigners want to push back the triggering of article 50, Nelson said delays could be damaging.

“I think unfortunately if it means greater uncertainty for a longer and longer period it is not so good,” he told the Evening Standard.

Get cracking is my view. It’s not a view that’s shared by all my colleagues here.

Lloyds announced major plans to expand during May’s three day visit to India, designed to boost economic ties between the two countries.

Nelson said he believed ministers understood the importance to City-based firms of resisting non-tariff barriers in the deal negotiated with the EU.

From our point of view we are very, very keen to have passporting rights and single market access. I detect that ministers are getting that very strongly now indeed.

He said it was important to prevent a cliff edge.

The other thing is we have to negotiate transitional arrangements otherwise we will be at a cliff edge for both sides, the EU and us. And they won’t start negotiating those until article 50 has been moved.

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Nicola Sturgeon, the Scottish first minister, was inevitably also asked about the US election at her regular press conference this lunchtime.

Unsurprisingly, she’s expressed her preference for Hillary Clinton before now. Today she added that, whilst this is America’s election and not usual for a leader of another country to comment, “it would be good to see that biggest crack to date in the glass ceiling”.

Sturgeon said of the Democratic candidate:

I think her experience, her strength, her resilience which has been on show throughout this campaign will make her a good president and somebody well able to address the challenges America in common with many other countries faces.”

Above and beyond that, I’m standing here as the first woman to hold the office of first minister and I think it would be great to see the world’s biggest democracy elect the first woman leader. The message that would send to women and girls across the world would be a very positive one. It would be good to see that biggest crack to date in the glass ceiling.

Lunchtime summary

  • Theresa May has played down a warning from the Institute for Fiscal Studies about how Brexit could prolong austerity, saying “the fundamentals of the British economy are very strong”. (See 11.38am.)
  • May has been accused of caving in to business interests after it was reported that she plans to water down proposals to put workers on company boards. She announced this during the Tory leadership contest, implying that she would compel firms to have workers on their boards, but today the Times claims that the government will make this a voluntary initiative. The paper (paywall) says:

Business leaders expressed concerns about a move that they said risked undermining effectiveness. The CBI and Insitute of Directors were among the groups to raise fears, quietly supported by the Treasury.

Mrs May used her Conservative Party conference speech to underline her commitment to the plan and Downing Street has repeatedly denied that it was being weakened. A senior figure involved in the preparations, however, said that the consultation, probably in the shape of a green paper, would seek to encourage rather than mandate workers’ representation when it was published as early as next week.

“On workers on boards the intention is not to be prescriptive but also where there is a need to tighten the codes we shall,” the source said.

A Downing Street spokesman said there was “no change” to May’s plan. But he also hinted that the scheme could become voluntary. He told the lobby briefing.

There is no change to our plan to have workers on boards. How that actually unfolds, clearly there’s a consultation process that we’re going to start, I clearly can’t anticipate what that consultation process will find, but there is no change to what the prime minister said at conference.

The TUC warned that a voluntary approach would “fatally undermine” May’s plans and turn it into “little more than a PR exercise”. And the Lib Dem business spokesman Lord Foster said:

Giving workers a say in how the business they work for operates is an idea whose time has come. If it can work in Germany and other major industrial countries then it can work here. If Theresa May wanted to deliver her promise to make Britain a place that works for everyone then she could - sadly it seems she doesn’t have the political will to do so.

  • Yvette Cooper, the chair of the Commons home affairs committee, has called Dame Lowell Goddard’s refusal to give evidence to the committee about her resignation as chair of the child sexual abuse inquiry “disgraceful”. (See 12.12pm.)
  • Paul Maynard, a transport minister, has announced in a written statement that four electrification projects on the Great Western line are being delayed. Mick Whelan, general secretary of ASLEF, the train drivers’ union, said this was “another blow to Britain’s railway industry and another example of the [Department for Transport’s] incompetence”

Jeremy Corbyn has not been commenting on Bill Clinton, but his brother Piers has been using his Twitter feed to comment on Clinton’s wife today. He’s not a fan.

Jeremy Corbyn’s office has not commented on the Clinton leak. This is from Huffington Post’s Paul Waugh.

The Bill Clinton speech also includes reference to another British politician. Clinton told his audience:

I had a man come up to me this summer when we were on our family vacation, and a friend of ours holds a party on Long Island every summer and I’m honored to go to the party. I was the designated attendee from our family. So I’m just standing there drinking a Coke and this guy comes up to me and says, “You don’t know me because I was not in government when you were there, but when your wife was Secretary of State, I was the British cabinet [secretary] for Northern Ireland.” And I thanked him. Cameron was good on Northern Ireland; we did pretty well when he was there. So he said in 2010 – remember when the whole thing was about to come off the track? We had terrible conflicts. He said, “I was desperate. I didn’t know what to do. And finally, I realized that Hillary was the only person in office anywhere in the world that had enough influence with the Irish to solve it, so I called and pleaded with her to help me put it back on track. Thirty-six hours later, we were moving again.” She’s the only person in the world who could have done that. And he said, “She did that for a lot of us in a lot of different places, and a lot of us would like to help her now.”

Clinton did not name the Northern Ireland secretary but, although he mentioned David Cameron, he was probably talking to Shaun Woodward, Northern Ireland secretary under Gordon Brown (who oversaw a crisis about devolving policing powers) not Cameron’s first Northern Ireland secretary, Owen Paterson.

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Here is a longer extract from the leaked Bill Clinton speech. (See 12.45pm.)

My experience is that very often the winner of any election is determined by what people think the election is about. So we should all give a lot of thought to that when you’re talking to your friends and neighbours and trying to influence them. The first thing this election is about is how to restore broad-based prosperity and growth to the American economy. And I hope in the next presidential debate she and Senator Sanders and the others will be able to talk about what the best way to do that is. Hillary says that you have to have a campaign that appeals to the struggling, the striving and the successful. We have to do this together. And Bernie says just go get the money from the millionaires. And it sounds good because there’s – to a lot of people, if you look all over the world – the British Labor Party disposed of its most (inaudible) leader, David Miliband, because they were mad at him for being part of Tony Blair’s government in the Iraq War. And they moved to the left and put his brother in as leader because the British labor movement wanted it. When David Cameron thumped him in the election, they reached the interesting conclusion that they lost because they hadn’t moved far left enough, and so they went out and practically got a guy off the street to be the leader of the British Labor Party, who I saw in the press today said that he was really a British citizen and had real British (inaudible). (Laughter.)

But what that is reflective of – the same thing happened in the Greek election – when people feel they’ve been shafted and they don’t expect anything to happen anyway, they just want the maddest person in the room to represent them. And that is perfectly psychologically understandable and predictable. Most people in America haven’t had a raise in 15 years. 86 percent of the American people, adjusted for inflation, have an income today lower than it was the day before the crash. The median income of American families, adjusted for inflation, is lower than it was the day I left office.

So this election, first of all, should be: how do we restore broad-based prosperity? We’ve only had one period in 50 years, since the early 1960s, when all segments of the American economy grew together, and that was the eight years when I served. You have to work at that. It is not an accident. That’s a matter of policy. It really does matter what you do. And I’m really proud of the fact that we moved 100 times as many people out of poverty into the middle class through work as happened in the Reagan years. You had 16 million jobs almost; we had almost 23 million. But the most important thing was 100 times as many people moved into the middle class. That’s policy. It’s policy that led the bottom 20 percent of workers to increase their income in percentage terms as much as the top 5 percent.

Sturgeon says Scottish government wants to join article 50 case to oppose UK government

Nicola Sturgeon has confirmed that the Scottish government will intervene in the article 50 legal case as the UK government prepares to appeal the decision at the supreme court.

At a regular press briefing held at Bute House in Edinburgh, Sturgeon confirmed that the Lord Advocate will lodge a formal application to intervene in the UK government’s supreme court appeal against last week’s high court ruling that Theresa May’s government must seek the permission of the Commons before it can trigger article 50 and begin the process of leaving the EU.

The Lord Advocate – Scotland’s most senior law officer – will lodge the application as soon as the UK government lodges its own appeal.

Sturgeon added that the Scottish parliament should also be formally consulted on the decision. She said:

The Scottish government is clear that triggering article 50 will directly affect devolved interests and rights in Scotland.

And triggering article 50 will inevitably deprive Scottish people and Scottish businesses of rights and freedoms which they currently enjoy.

It simply cannot be right that those rights can be removed by the UK government on the say-so of a prime minister without parliamentary debate, scrutiny or consent.

So legislation should be required at Westminster and the consent of the Scottish parliament should be sought before Article 50 is triggered.

Sturgeon insisted that this was not an attempt “to frustrate the will of the people of England and Wales”.

Let me be clear - I recognise and respect the right of England and Wales to leave the European Union.

But the democratic wishes of the people of Scotland and the national parliament of Scotland cannot be brushed aside as if they do not matter.”

The prime minister said that on June 23 people across the UK had voted with, in her words, “emphatic clarity” when they voted by a margin of 4 points to leave the EU.

The margin for remain in Scotland was 24 points: a far more emphatic and clear result.

So the prime minister needs to live up to her promise to treat Scotland as an equal partner in the United Kingdom and listen to the will of the people of Scotland.

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Bill Clinton describes Corbyn as 'the maddest person in the room'

WikiLeaks has been publishing documents in instalments documents obtained from John Podesta, Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager, whose emails were hacked. Today it has released a transcript of a private speech given by Bill Clinton at a fundraiser in October last year in which he described Jeremy Corbyn as “the maddest person in the room”.

Colleagues are pointing out, in recognition that Britain and America are “two countries divided by a common language” as George Bernard Shaw said, that “maddest” in America normally means angriest, not craziest.

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Ukip's Patrick O'Flynn questions plan to have march against supreme court

The Ukip MEP Patrick O’Flynn took to Twitter this morning to criticise the plan for a march on the supreme court that Nigel Farage, the outgoing party leader, is reportedly planning to lead.

Later O’Flynn said that he had been told the march was taking place before the supreme court hearing, which he thought was an improvement.

Here’s what the Treasury is saying about today’s IFS report. (See 10.33am.) This is from a spokeswoman.

The chancellor has been clear that, although we have already made significant progress in bringing the public finances under control, our debt and deficit remain too high.

Sustainable public finances are necessary to build an economy that works for all and we will return the budget to balance in a way that allows us the space to support the economy as needed.

The fundamentals of the UK economy are strong, and we are well-placed to deal with the challenges and take advantage of opportunities ahead.

That suggests the Treasury is not challenging the broad thrust of the IFS analysis.

Cooper calls Goddard's refusal to give evidence to home affairs committee 'disgraceful'

Dame Lowell Goddard, who resigned in the summer as the (third) chair of the child sexual abuse inquiry, has told the Commons home affairs committee that she will not give evidence to it in an oral hearing. Goddard, who is from New Zealand, was offered the chance to give evidence by video, but in a letter to the committee (pdf) she said that giving evidence in a hearing like this could lead to false allegations against her being made in a privileged setting (ie, in one where she cannot sue her accusers for libel).

Yvette Cooper, the chair of the committee, has put out a statement describing her refusal to appear as “disgraceful”. Cooper said:

Dame Lowell Goddard’s refusal to give evidence to the home affairs select committee about her resignation from the Independent Inquiry into child sexual abuse Is disgraceful.

Dame Goddard has been paid significant amounts of public money to do an extremely important job which she suddenly resigned from, leaving a series of questions about what has been happening over the last 18 months and why the Inquiry got into difficulties.

Yet rather than give oral evidence to answer these questions she is relying on the fact that she is out of the UK to avoid the requirement to give evidence to parliament.

This is an astonishing response from a paid public servant who should know how important transparency is in an inquiry as sensitive and crucial as this one. Child abuse survivors have been let down by the extremely rocky start to this inquiry and we do need answers as to why it went wrong in order to be confident it is back on track now.

The committee has always believed it is vital that Dame Lowell Goddard gives oral evidence to us and we will explore what options are available to us to require her to come before the committee should she enter the UK again at any time in the future.

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May plays down IFS Brexit warnings, saying 'fundamentals of economy are very strong'

Theresa May has also been speaking to the BBC in India. She was specifically asked about today’s IFS report (see 10.33am), but played down its warnings about Brexit leading to prolonged austerity. In response to a question about its analysis she told the BBC:

Remember the fundamentals of the British economy are very strong and what I have heard here [in India] from businesses is that they see the UK as an attractive place to do business, an attractive place to invest and they want us to develop that relationship so there is more trade. That means more jobs, more investment in the UK ...

We’ve seen our deficit reduced by two thirds. We are determined to continue to live within our means. Of course we have seen in recent weeks some of the economic data for this year being revised upwards in terms of GDP but what matters is us taking the opportunities that are now open to us to develop trade around the world. I want us to be a global leader in free trade and ensuring we are taking those opportunities.

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Here is John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, commenting on today’s IFS report. (See 10.33am.) He said:

The fact that the Tories have no credible plan for the economy and no plan at all for Brexit, is starting to build up problems for the public finances. This report further highlights the past six years of Tory failure on the economy that Philip Hammond supported every step of the way, and which has meant our economy is not properly equipped for any downturn that may arise from Brexit. It is time the chancellor learnt the lessons of George Osborne rather than repeat them.

And this is from Susan Kramer, the Lib Dem Treasury spokeswoman.

This Brexit black hole means having to take billions out of public spending or rapidly increase taxes. Yet the government continues to pretend that all is well. They cannot keep ducking the question of how they are going to cope with the economic reality of Brexit.

These are not small numbers - £25bn is double what we spend on policing each year. Cuts of this size mean hitting schools, the NHS and public services up and down the country.

Theresa May is returning to the UK today at the end of her tour of India. She has given an interview to Sky News, and here are the key lines.

I think what we need to do now is not focus on what happened during the campaign. People voted on whether or not they wanted to leave the EU. They voted to leave the EU and what I’m focusing on now and what I’m determined to do is to deliver on that and make a success of it.

May, of course, backed remain in the EU referendum.

  • She refused to defend the Vote Leave claim that leaving the EU would free up an extra £350m a week for the NHS. Asked about this, she said: “I think when people voted on June 23 in the referendum and voted to leave the EU, they were looking at a number of things.”
  • She refused to comment on the suggestion from Stephen Phillips, who resigned as a Conservative MP last week, that the Tories are becoming “Ukip-lite”.
  • She claimed that leaving the EU would present Britain with “a world of opportunities”.

Leaving the EU presents us with a world of opportunities and I’m determined to seize them. That’s why I’m here in India, delivering on global Britain. And I have to say the response has been very good. During this visit, we’ve seen £1bn worth of deals being signed and we’ve come to an agreement with the Indian government that we will work together with them on developing our trade relationship for the future.

  • She said she would be taking the “earliest opportunity” to speak to the winner of the US presidential election.

I will be taking the earliest opportunity to speak to whoever the winner of that contest is and talking to them about the special relationship that the UK has with the US. That relationship spans a whole range of issues, not just trade but also dealing with terrorism, security matters and defence matters as well.

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No, we didn’t cancel today’s blog because all the interesting politics is happening in the US, although it is, and you can read about it here. I’m late starting because I got held up this morning for various reasons. Sorry.

The Institute for Fiscal Studies has issued a new warning about the impact of Brexit, with the ominous, Game of Thrones-inspired title “Winter is Coming”. Essentially it is saying that lower growth will result in government receipts being £25bn lower than they otherwise would have been by 2019-20. Here is our preview story.

The full 54-page report (pdf) is out this morning. This IFS is also saying it expects auserity to carry on into the next decade. Here is an extract from its conclusion.

Another reason for the chancellor to wait before implementing any further fiscal tightening is that there is even more economic uncertainty than usual. But building a plan for further austerity in the next parliament would be prudent. Indeed even if a balanced headline budget was delivered in 2020–21 and then maintained thereafter public sector net debt would not be on course to reach its pre-crisis level of 40% of national income until around the mid-2040s. Unfortunately if anything the £25 billion estimated deterioration in the public finances in 2019–20 is likely to understate the increase in the longer-term challenge that has occurred since the March Budget. The OBR’s previous long-run projections were based on an optimistic assumption about NHS productivity growth which they have recently said is likely to be revised down in their future projections. More fundamentally any reduction in future immigration, any reduction in longer-term growth or any increase in future interest rates would make the fiscal arithmetic harder still.

This morning Nick Gibb, the education minister, and Lord O’Donnell, the former cabinet secretary, are both giving evidence to select committees. And Sajid Javid, the communities secretary, is giving evidence to a committee this afternoon.

As usual, now I’m here, I will also be covering the breaking political news as it happens, as well as bringing you the best reaction, comment and analysis from the web. I will post a summary at lunchtime and another in the afternoon.

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