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Lib Dem conference 2014 – Cable says Tories lying if they won’t admit taxes to rise after 2015 – as it happened

Andrew Sparrow’s rolling coverage of all the developments at the Lib Dem conference in Glasgow, including Nick Clegg’s morning interviews, Vince Cable’s speech and Clegg’s Q&a with activists
  
  

Vince Cable addressing the conference
Vince Cable addressing the conference Photograph: Christopher Furlong/Getty Images

Afternoon summary

  • Lib Dem delegates have voted against a proposal to phase out

    religious selection by faith schools. During a debate on equalities they rejected an amendment on this tabled by Evan Harris, the former MP. Vince Cable, the business secretary, spoke against Harris’s proposal.

I was baptised a Baptist, went to a Methodist Sunday school, followed an attractive young woman to the Quakers and stayed. I married a Roman Catholic and we agreed in the spirit of compromise to bring our kids up as Anglicans who want to become Buddhist.

I’m now remarried happily and I married a humanist so I’m not trailing a lot of religious baggage.

What I am trailing is a strong belief in the basic human right which is embodied in the European charter that people should have the right to choose their faith and that includes sending your kids to a school which has the ethos that you are comfortable with.

But delegates backed the motion, which calls for hate crimes against lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people and against people with disabilities to be treated as aggravated offences.

  • A ComRes poll for ITV suggests that that most British adults (56%) believe that the Liberal Democrats have become irrelevant. Just 26% disagree.
  • Norman Lamb, the care minister, has said that he thinks it is now inevitable that assisted dying legislation will be passed at some point. “I think it will happen at some point, it’s just a question of when rather than if,” he told a fringe meeting. In a Q&A with activists, Nick Clegg said that parliament should debate this issue but that, unlike others in the party, he was not persuaded of the need for legislation.
  • Lamb has described the health service as “stuck in the dark ages” in relation to the poor survival rates in hospitals at weekends. Comparing working practices in hospitals with those in supermarkets, he said: “What is more important - people’s lives or supermarket shelves?” He also said the care system needed significant reform.

I also see quite a dysfunctional system. If you were to think about how to design a system to meet the overwhelming change of our time, which is people living with long-term chronic conditions often a mix of mental health and physical health conditions and often for many years, you would not design it as it is now.

It’s horribly fragmented, the incentives are designed to promote activity in acute hospitals rather than keeping people in better health and people too often fall through the gaps between different organisations.

  • Jeremy Browne, the Lib Dem former miniser, has criticised the party’s slogan, saying it suggests the Lib Dems are more interested in resisting other parties’ ideas than in promoting their own. He told a fringe meeting:

Our slogan really is stronger economy, invisible brackets, than you would get if Labour was in government on their own, close invisible brackets. Fairer society, open invisible brackets, than you would get if the Conservatives were in government on their own, close brackets.

So, the very slogan of our conference is about how we would aspire to mitigate others in government, that our raison d’etre in politics is not to advance our our ideas but to retard the advancement of other people’s ideas and that we will, quotes, anchor them in the centre ground, i.e., make sure people who believe something can’t put actually put their beliefs forward unimpeded.

I think we need a message, I don’t just mean in this election but for the next 10 years, about what we believe in, what do we stand for as a party.

That’s all from me for today.

Thanks for your comments.

• This post was amended on 7 October 2014. An earlier version said Lib Dem delegates had voted against a proposal to phase out faith schools. This has been corrected to “religious selection by faith schools”.

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Tim Farron says Lib Dems should be willing to reject coalition

There was a good fringe meeting at lunchtime with Tim Farron, the outgoing Lib Dem president and a potential successor to Nick Clegg. I’ve just read the Press Association account, and it’s full of reasonably good news lines. Here they are.

  • Farron said the Lib Dems should be willing to walk away from coalition talks in a hung parliament if they don’t get what they want. Speaking at a fringe, he said:

You don’t go into coalition negotiations letting your potential partners think that you are absolutely going to roll over and have your tummy tickled and go into coalition whatever the outcome of those negotiations.

You have to in your own heart and mind - and in their hearts and minds - make it absolutely clear that you can and will, if it comes down to it, walk away. If you don’t do that you are going to get nothing out of any coalition negotiations.

  • He also claimed that, in practice, the Lib Dems would not be forced to choose between Labour and the Conservatives in a hung parliament.

It only puts us in a difficult position if the utterly random and almost impossible circumstances turn out where our numbers could make a majority with either party. That will not happen. It’s probably about a million-to-one chance of that happening.

We will either, in a balanced parliament, have the option of going into coalition with one of the two parties or sitting back. That will be the only choice we have - it will not be a case of do we prefer Labour or Tories.

  • He suggested that he would be reluctant to concede an in/out EU referendum as part of a coalition deal. “It’s important that we don’t give away a referendum lightly, if at all,” he said.
  • He suggested Ed Miliband was a worse leader than Neil Kinnock. Asked if he agreed that Miliband was not prime ministerial material, he replied:

I would rather we didn’t personalise the election campaign, but undoubtedly the problem the Labour Party have at the moment is that people can’t place Ed Miliband in their minds behind the door of Number 10 Downing Street.

People have compared him to Neil Kinnock, but that is an unfair comparison to Neil Kinnock, because Neil Kinnock took on his party and won and did something David Cameron has failed to do. David Cameron would be a statesman if he showed leadership and took on the right over things like the European Union and human rights.

  • He said Liberal Democrats should not be thinking about who succeeds Clegg as leader.

Anybody who is giving headspace to there being anyone other than Nick as leader is letting the side down massively ... If you are wasting effort on thinking about what happens to yourself in seven or eight months’ time, then shame on you.

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But, obviously, I’ve missed the main news line from the Q&A. Which was that Nick Clegg was wearing jeans.

Or chinos.

No one seems to be 100% sure, although the BBC’s Nick Sutton is fairly certain they were jeans.

Nick Clegg's Q&A - Summary

Here are the main points from Nick Clegg’s Q&A.

  • Clegg criticised newspapers like the Sun and the Mail on Sunday that are defending journalists’ rights to protect their source while at the same time opposing the European convention on human rights. When Harris said there was an inconsistency between what these papers are saying about the RIPA issue, and what they say about the ECHR, Clegg agreed:

It is an excellent point that often the same figures who invoke the proud traditions of British liberty will be the first to discard, or call for discarding, those proud traditions of liberty by saying we should pull out of a document enshrining universal human rights drafted by British lawyers.

  • Nick Clegg defended the Leveson proposals for press regulation and suggested that at some point he expected them to come into force. Under Leveson, if a new press regulator gets approval from the government’s recognition body, measures come into force requiring papers not signed up to the regulator to pay higher court costs. Clegg described these as “incentives”. The new press regulator, Ipso, has not sought approval from the recognition body, and so the higher court costs do not apply. But Clegg implied that may change.

I think we should let this system run for a bit because these incentives will increase over time.

  • He said the Tories were blocking the publication of Home Office research commissioned by Norman Baker looking at the international evidence on whether drugs laws work.
  • Clegg said drugs use should predominantly be treated as a health problem, not a crime problem.

Drugs reform is just ripe for a breakthrough in this country.

If you are anti drugs, you should be pro reform. The war on drugs is not working and how long do we have to carry on making the same mistakes over and over.

  • He said he was “personally not persuaded” of the case for assisted dying legislation. But he acknowledged that most Lib Dem activists in the hall were probably in favour, and he said the matter should be debated in parliament.
  • He said that the EU acted as a “pygmy” in the Middle East and that instead it should do much more to exert influence.

We’re also the biggest donors of aid [to that region]. We have such clout as an economic giant, but we’re actually a pygmy in the Middle East, and it frustrates me immensely. If only the French, the Germans and the British acted with one voice on this, we could really apply proper pressure on both sides.



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Here’s the Guardian video with an extract from Vince Cable’s speech.

The Q&A is over. I’ll post a summary shortly.

Q: What role can sport play in enriching the lives of those with intellectual disabilities?

Clegg says there are some Special Olympics athletes in the hall. The Special Olympics has been held in Bath, and is coming to Sheffield, he says.

Q: Do you have to hold David Cameron’s feet to the fire on constitutional reform?

Clegg says his experience is that both Labour and the Conservatives have no interest in constitutional reform as a whole. They just cherry pick the bits they like.

They both opposed Lords reform. And Labour did not back the alternative vote, even though it was their policy.

The Tories are proposing English voters for English laws. But they only want Tory votes for English laws.

The Lib Dems are now challenging them to accept the need for proportionality in this.

Q: How can you justify the government still supplying arms to Israel?

Clegg says Vince Cable announced over the summer the terms under which arms sales to Israel would be suspended.

He says he shares the questioner’s dismay about what happened in Gaza over the summer. He denounces Hamas, and criticised Israel’s illegal settlements too. The EU should have more clout, he says. In theory it has real influence, but in practice it acts like a pygmy.

Q: Do you agree with Norman Baker that drugs should be treated as a medical problem, not a crime problem?

Absolutely, says Clegg.

He says anyone who is anti drugs should be pro reform.

If people with drug problems go to jail, their drug addiction is likely to get worse.

The Home Office should be encouraged to concentrate on going after the “Mr Bigs” on this.

Q: Is it true that the Conservatives stopped the publication of international research on this?

Clegg says the public and parts of the media are ahead of political opinion on this.

The Tories opposed a royal commission. Norman Baker then commissioned some Home Office research on what the international evidence shows. Publication of this is being blocked by the Tories, he says. But it will be published eventually.

Q: What would the Lib Dems do for Wales?

Clegg says when the government delivers home rule for Scotland, it should deliver home rule for Wales too.

He says the Lib Dems back the proposals in the two Silk commission reports.

Q: Should we legislate for assisted dying?

Clegg says he is not persuaded of the case for this. He thinks most people in the hall probably do back a law. But he does not see how a law on this could be satisfactorily drafted.

But he says parliament should debate this.

Q; Is the Leveson royal charter a lame duck?

No, says Clegg.

Lord Justice Leveson proposed something ingenious. He was not advocating state regulation of the press. That would have been anathema to the Lib Dems. He proposed an industry body, but also a recognition body that would, from time to time, apply an MOT test to the regulator to make sure it is really independent. That’s where the royal charter comes from.

The BBC is established by royal charter. But no one questions its independence.

Leveson also proposed incentives, to encourage newspapers to join the new body.

It is a “great, great pity” that that “intelligent, small-l liberal mechanism” has been portrayed as a threat to the press.

Clegg says we should let the current system run for a bit. Because those incentives will increase over time, he says.

(He is implying that at some point a new regulator will be approved by the recognition body, which would trigger the provisions in the law that would led to papers not belonging to that regulator facing higher court costs.)

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Evan Harris gets a follow up question.

Q: These same papers are ones that oppose the Human Rights Act. Can you explain to them the inconsistency of their position?

Clegg says this is a good point. Often those who proclaim the proud tradition of British liberty are people who want to pull out from a document written by British lawyers (the European convention on human rights). The convention embodies great British principles, he says.

He says he has been dismayed to hear Chris Grayling, the justice secretary, reject the convention.

Let’s reform the court, he says. It is “hopelessly bureaucratic”.

But let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater. We should defend these rights “hook, line and sinker”.

Q: What is your view on the police using RIPA to access the phone records of our friens in the press? [This is from Evan Harris.]

Clegg says he agrees with Harris. This is a rare issue on which he, Harris, the Sun and the Mail on Sunday all agree.

He praises Harris for tabling the amendment to the motion debated yesterday saying journalists should be able to protect their sources.

Harris’s commitment to issues like this is what makes him a “great liberal”.

Journalists going about their work have discovered that their phone records have been accessed without their knowledge.

That is “wholly unacceptable”, he says.

Q: Will our green policies be red lines in coalition talks?

Clegg says he does not think it is right to get into red lines now.

But the Lib Dems should be clear about their priorities, he says.

He says a commitment to making the economy more green is something “of great importance to us as a party”.

Clegg says Chris Huhne and Ed Davey have done more than any other politicians in living memory to boost renewable energy.

Q: Will you accept that climate change is the top environmental issue?

Of course, says Clegg.

Clegg says Britain can only deal with climate change if it stays in the EU. The Tories are heading for the exit, he says.

And Clegg says the generational arguments that apply to the deficit also apply to the environment. We don’t have a right to deprive future generations of clean air and water, he says.

Nick Clegg's Q&A

Nick Clegg is now hosting his Q&A with activists.

He is wearing a shirt that’s black, or very dark blue. In the press room, it’s got an immediate thumbs down.

The first question is about Lib Dem environment policies. Clegg says there will be a debate on these measures tomorrow. He wants to mention three proposals.

First, garden cities on the rail route from Oxford to Cambridge.

These would have sustainable homes. The Tories are proposing new homes exempt from modern sustainability standards, he says.

Second, measures to promote electric cars. And, third, the completion of the coastal path. Clegg says he loves walking.

Earlier Lib Dem delegates voted for a motion on flooding that called for real terms increases in the amount spent on flood defences. It also called for “higher standards for buildings in at risk locations, as well as proposals that will assist landowners in adapting to new risks and improving the natural defences of lowland areas.”

Friends of the Earth says this policy, if implemented, could see the government spending £500m to make up for the shortfall in the amount spent on flood defences this parliament. Guy Shrubsole, a Friends of the Earth climate campaigner, welcomed the commitment. He said:

With climate change threatening to put an extra million people at flood risk over the next decade, all parties should follow suit and pledge to plug the half-billion pound hole in our flood defence plans.

The Liberal Democrat leadership now needs to enact this in government, and show they’re just as serious about tackling the causes of climate change - by opposing fracking and plans for airport expansion.

And here is some more reaction to Vince Cable’s speech.

Frances O’Grady, the TUC general secretary, welcomed the proposal to increase the minimum wage for apprentices and to address employment contract abuse.

This is the right thing to do for both young workers and the economy and will help encourage more young people into apprenticeships. We also need to crack down on those employers responsible for illegally underpaying more than a quarter of apprentices and must raise the quality of apprenticeships to make them higher skilled.

The TUC has been calling for a review of bogus self-employment and the abuse of employment contracts for many years. This review is welcome, if long overdue, but it will need teeth to crack down on the widespread abuse of many vulnerable workers and achieve real reform.

And Terry Scuoler, chief executive of EEF, the manufacturers organisation, welcomed Cable’s comments on immigration.

It is good to hear the business secretary injecting some common sense into the debate about immigration. The current system is extremely complex and costly for businesses, and hampers employers’ ability to recruit highly skilled engineers. It is crucial that the UK is seen as an attractive place for international students to study and work. He also highlighted the role of freedom of movement as part of the wider open market in the EU, something that businesses want to preserve, alongside British membership.

Vince Cable’s speech has had a mixed reception from the CBI.

In a news release, Katja Hall, the CBI’s deputy director general, welcomes what he said about immigration.

Businesses understand the need for managed migration but it’s essential that the system also helps attract the brightest and best to the UK. Negative rhetoric on immigration can send out the wrong signal to companies seeking to invest here, so firms will welcome the recognition that skilled immigration is good for the country.

The net migration target is arbitrary and should be scrapped, while freedom of movement in the EU is an essential part of the single market which is central to the UK’s economic success.

Yet she criticised the proposal to increase the national minimum wage for apprenctices.

Too few apprenticeships at the moment go to the young and relatively unskilled. Companies already pay their share into training, so raising the cost of taking these young people on would be unwise and put off many smaller firms from getting involved.

And she sounded wary of the inquiry into workers who do not have full employment rights.

Business wants to maintain a flexible labour market that delivers for both employees and firms because it creates new jobs and helps people get into work.

Companies and workers value the range of flexible employment practices on offer and we should seek to preserve this, but both parties should be clear about their rights under the terms of contracts and any examples of poor practice should rightly be rooted out.

Chuka Umunna, the shadow business secretary, has put out a statement about Vince Cable’s speech saying the Lib Dems can’t be trusted.

He said:

You can’t trust Vince Cable and the Liberal Democrats. They broke their promises and have been too weak to stand up to the Tories.

They promised to scrap tuition fees and then trebled them, they promised to be on the side of working people, but working people are £1,600 a year worse off since they joined the Tories in government, and they said they wanted fairer taxes but have given millionaires a tax break while everyone else pays more.

Vince Cable can’t run away from his record as part of the Tory-led government or try to pretend that Tory policies have nothing to do with the Lib Dems. They voted for them and the Tories couldn’t have done it without them.

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Lunchtime summary

  • Vince Cable, the business secretary, has said the Tories are lying if they claim that they can cut the deficit after the election without taxes having to go up. In his keynote speech to the conference, he also said that government should be more willing to borrow and expressed his total personal opposition to the package of spending and welfare cuts proposed by the Conservatives. (See 1.26pm.)

Vince Cable's speech - Summary

Vince Cable is an understated speaker. His jokes are refined, and well crafted, but otherwise there is no artifice in his speeches, just clear, rigorous language, and an argument. Today’s was a good example. It was a solid, thoughtful speech, and there is plenty to highlight. Here goes.

  • Cable said he was opposed to the Conservative plans for welfare and spending cuts.

Let us be clear. The Tories’ proposal to take another £25 billion or more out of welfare and unprotected government departments will do great harm to valuable services: to imagine otherwise is fantasy. I will categorically not go along with this.

Did you notice that “I”? In a speech of this importance, a pronoun like that does not get in by accident. Nick Clegg has said the Lib Dems would not accept the package of welfare cuts announced by the Tories last week, and he has also criticised the proposed Tories’s proposed spending cuts, but to me this sounded like Cable making the case for the party to adopt an even more robust stance against austerity.

  • He said that taxes would have to go up after 2015, and that the Tories were lying if they did not accept this.

So you might ask what is the alternative? The truth is more taxes will be needed. To contribute to deficit reduction and also to address unacceptable inequalities. Any politician who tells you that the next government can balance the budget and avoid tax increases is lying to you.

  • He claimed the Tories favoured public spending cuts because they “see it as a way of destroying public service and the welfare state, which they detest”.
  • He suggested the government should be more willing to borrow.

When interest rates are so low, borrowing for investment is a no brainer and is nothing to do with deficit reduction. Of course we need to protect the next generation from too much public (as well as private) debt, but the next generation would certainly not thank us for a legacy of underinvestment, over-stretched infrastructure and unaffordable homes.

  • He defended the Lib Dems’ decision to go into coalition in 2010, and said making the Lib Dems a party of government was Clegg’s biggest achievement.

Let us remember why we are in government. That we joined the coalition because there was a national economic emergency. That we worked with the Tories because voters chose them as the largest party, not because we like them or because we ARE like them. That we have been a major engine of reform, not just a brake on their extremes. We are accused of abandoning progressive politics. We haven’t. What we have abandoned is the politics of perpetual protest. Nick Clegg’s biggest achievement as party leader has been to make that transformation ...

We have a real record of achievement in government. In very difficult circumstances we have brought compassion, common sense and competence into government: we have maintained our liberal and social democratic values in doing so; and we have stood up to the born-to-rule arrogance of our coalition partners as well as the narrow tribalism of the Labour opposition.

  • He ridiculed the Conservative stance on immigration.

The Tories for their part are horribly torn between open economic liberalism and their inward looking, UKIP-facing grassroots, who probably see Clacton-on-Sea as the new Constantinople – holding out against the alien hordes. So they say they want Britain to be ‘open for business’, ‘to win the global race’; then, they try to close the borders to skills and talents that Britain needs, by pursuing an absurd net migration target – plucked out of the air and totally unenforceable. Overseas students, whose fees subsidise British students and earn £9bn a year for the UK, are discouraged and so go to the US or Australia instead. Firms who need specialist skills from Japan, India or the US have to climb piles of red tape (far bigger than anything generated by Eurocrats in Brussels). We then train Chinese engineers and insist they go home just when British industry can make good use of them. But, of course, there is always a warm welcome isn’t there for dodgy billionaires willing to make a large party donation for a game of tennis with Boris and Dave.

  • He confirmed that he wants to raise the minimum wage for apprentices. He also said he wanted a “big expansion in degree level advanced apprenticeships”.
  • He said that, although the economy was recovering, it would be a mistake to be “complacent”.

Nobody should be complacent. The economy is still dangerously dependent on the drug of cheap money. Some of the stress factors which preceded the crisis – like serious housing inflation, a mountain of mortgage debt, and weak trade performance – are still with us.

  • He said he was launching an inquiry into the position of workers who do not have full employment rights.
  • He mocked Ed Miliband for forgetting to mention the deficit in his conference speech.

British politics owes a lot to Scotland: some of our greatest political leaders. There were few greater than Gladstone – born in Liverpool but a Scottish MP. His feats of oratory were legendary. Not least was his speech on the Bulgarian Atrocities. He is said to have spoken for five and a half hours, without notes, from memory. As far as we know, he didn’t have to issue a statement the following day apologising for forgetting to mention Bulgaria or the Atrocities.

  • And he accused David Cameron of abandoning policies he supported five years ago.

Others have sought to emulate [Gladstone]. You may remember the Prime Minister’s feat, which won him the Tory leadership, of memorising a 45 minute speech. He talked about the things he cared passionately about: embracing the underclass and saving the planet. You might recall the hoodies and the huskies.

Which raises an interesting question: is it worse for politicians to forget what to say or to remember what to say but forget to do anything about it.

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Here’s Vince Cable on the other two main parties.

The last two party conferences have helped us to understand our opponents better. The Tories are reinventing themselves as UKIP but without the beer, while the Labour party is offering us French Socialism, but without the sex.

Vince Cable is addressing the conference now.

I’ll post a full summary when I’ve seen the text.

Lib Dem members back Cable, not Alexander, as election Treasury spokesman, poll says

Vince Cable will be starting his speech to the conference shortly.

According to a poll of 735 members for Lib Dem Voice, a clear majority of them want Cable (65%), not Danny Alexander (24%), to be the party’s Treasury spokesman at the election.

Clegg has indicated that Alexander, not Cable, will play this role.

Here is a sample of the comments from people contributing to the poll.

• Danny Alexander might be a nice bloke but he’s simply poor with the media. He’s lost the debate before it’s begun.

• Vince will sell our values much better because Danny does not come over well on TV.

• Clearly Vince. It has to be.

• I don’t know who, but I do not believe Danny Alexander can credibly debate with George Osborne, nor do I feel he has particularly stood up to him enough in his position to be able to robustly argue against the proposed Tory direction of spending. I do not think Vince Cable has the credibility left following the post office sell off.

• Danny Alexander has done a brilliant job not least on the `No Thanks’ debate.

• Danny Alexander has drunk the treasury kool aid. He cannot seriously be put forward to debate on the key issue of the economy. Also on TV he looks like an automaton.V

Vince Cable ridicules Osborne's 'Help to Buy' scheme

Vince Cable will be giving his main speech shortly, but he has already spoken at the conference this morning, wrapping up a debate on housing. It was a good session, opened by the Lib Dem president Tim Farron. Here are the main points.

  • Vince Cable and Tim Farron both backed a land value tax as one long-term solution to excessive house prices. Cable said:

We’ve got a horribly distorted land market. the ideal solution, which I support, is land value taxation. But until we get there, there are practical ideas like auctions of land which we could get into to deal with that problem.

And Farron said:

Volatile land prices give us the most expensive land in Europe and the smallest homes. If we want communities with enough space, schools, parks and roads, then we need a lot of land for a fairer price ... We need a tax system that uses land value to ensure that we build the homes that we need.

  • Cable said the government’s “Help to Buy” scheme was making it harder for people to buy, because it was pushing prices up.

Mr Osborne has this policy called Help to Buy, which does not actually help you to buy because it drives up the price and makes it less affordable. What we really need is help to build. Small builders desperately need credit.

  • Cable said housing was in “fundamental crisis”. In constituencies like Twickenham, where he is the MP, houses cost 20 times average salaries. Whole swathes of people were being locked out of the market, he said.

Most of us have children, and grandchildren, and for them this problem is becoming insufferable ... Large numbers of people are really suffering and we are creating enormous inequalities through the property market - inequalities in social classes and between generations.

Farron made a similar argument.

The current trend is horrific. In the early 80s, you could buy a house on the equivalent of £20k salary with a deposit of £3,000. Today, that is laughable. Now, you need around £36,000k a year, much more than that if you live in London or the Lake District, or else you need help from your parents. And they’d better be wealthy and generous.

Our housing market robs us all of opportunity, but especially it robs the under 40s. Children growing up living in unstable rents, bumped from school to school. Communities broken up, segregated, socially decimated. Businesses struggling to find workers, workers struggling to pay rent. Lonely, sicker, older people. London built for foreign investors, not the people who work there.

  • Delegates backed an amendment to the motion saying councils should have the right to suspend right to buy in their area. The main motion, which was also approved, called for a Housing Investment Bank, tasked with simplifying the allocation of public funds and drawing in private finance to help with house building, as one of several measures intended to create capacity for house building to reach 300,000 homes a year.

You can read all the Guardian coverage of the Lib Dem conference here.

As for the rest of the papers, I’ve already mentioned the Financial Times story about the Lib Dems apparently abandoning their opposition to an in/out referendum. (See 8.33am.)

Here are two other articles that I found interesting.

First-time voters are shunning the Liberal Democrats, according to a Times data analysis that shows the scale of the long-term challenge facing the party.

Using electoral roll data and the latest polls, the Times Data Team projects that the party will have about 84,000 first-time voters in the general election next year, down from 414,500 in 2010.

The research suggests that this key demographic — which supported the Lib Dems more than any age group in 2010 — cannot be relied upon to support the party in significant numbers.

The number of Lib Dems must exceed the total of other minority party MPs to be certain of viable two-party coalition - yet such is their collapse, combined with the rise of nationalists in Scotland, England and Wales, that Clegg’s party could easily end up with barely half the 60-odd seats won by other smaller parties.

This would leave David Cameron and Ed Miliband scrabbling around trying to make post-election pacts with several partners. The Tories could offer an alliance on devolution with the SNP, who might surge to another 20 MPs following Labour’s lamentable performance in the recent referendum, or a deal on Europe to pacify Ukip, who seem set to win several seats. Labour might turn to the Greens if they keep their solitary seat, and Plaid Cymru, on course to pick up a couple more constituencies. Both parties would seek support from the 18 Northern Irish MPs.

If either leader is successful, we would be left with inherently unstable government held captive by smaller parties and its own extremists. More likely would be a short-lasting attempt at minority government, before The Queen is forced to call a second election; indeed, civil servants are already preparing for this possibility. If this ballot delivered a second unsatisfactory result, Britain would be engulfed in full-blown constitutional crisis – unless, of course, the two main parties swallowed significant personal and policy differences to form a Grand Coalition.

Many Lib Dems are resigned to Ukip getting more votes than them at the election, but not more seats, the New Statesman’s George Eaton reports in an interesting blog.

Here’s an excerpt.

Based on the current state of the polls, a large number of Lib Dem MPs are resigned to finishing fourth to Ukip on votes, but rightly believe that their party’s more efficiently distributed support means they will finish third on seats (the irony being that they will profit from the electoral system they have spent their lives campagining against). In the case of Labour, while it’s plausible that the party could finish second to the Tories on votes, the Conservatives need a lead of around three points before they become the largest party on seats. This is partly due to the unreformed constituency boundaries, but also because turnout in Labour seats tends to be lower than in Tory ones (with the result that it takes fewer votes on average to elect a Labour MP).

Should this scenario come to pass, how would Labour and the Lib Dems respond? There is no constitutional bar on the party that finishes second entering government, as the Tories did in 1951 and as Labour did in Februrary 1974 (and as others in Europe have done). Having long opposed electoral reform, the Tories would also have no grounds for complaint (although expect them to resurrect the issue of boundary reform). But as Lamb suggests, a government established on this basis would suffer immediate legitimacy problems: “You would be attacked from the word go and it would be very, very hard to sustain it.”

Nick Clegg has been visiting a school in Glasgow this morning. The Telegraph’s Michael Deacon is there.

Kirsty Williams, the Lib Dem leader in Wales, used her speech to the conference to challenge Labour and the Tories to agree to implement the Silk commission’s recommendations for more powers for the Welsh assembly.

Because of the Liberal Democrats, Wales will have tax powers, borrowing powers and a more accountable Welsh government.

We ensured a cross-party commission to devolve further powers.

And Nick Clegg has made it clear that these recommendations must be implemented in full.

Energy, justice, tax varying powers, the list goes on – all will be delivered by the Liberal Democrats.

So it is now time for the other parties to step up to the plate.

And I challenge them all to do as Nick Clegg has done and sign up to the Silk Commission’s recommendations - so that Wales can speak as one voice.

Wales must have a proper parliament.

One that reflects the will of the people.

One that has the powers to make a difference.

One that shows that devolution really can work.

In the conference hall this morning the Lib Dems have backed a motion on climate change saying, among other things, that large firms should have to report on the action they are taking to adapt to climate change. This requirement would be added to their mandatory greenhouse gas reporting obligations under the party’s plans.

In the debate Mike Tuffrey, a former member of the London assembly, explained why this would make a difference.

[Mandatory reporting] opens it to public scrutiny and it alerts shareholders to the risk to their dividends and the share price. We saw the impact on Tesco’s share price when they over stated profits ... The simple fact is too many of our large corporations today are overstating their future earnings potentially because they are failing to prepare for climate change. And that will hit your and my pensions and undo all the great work that Steve Webb is doing for us in government on pensions.

So that is why this matters. I ask you to pass the motion and to send the message out loud and clear that in all sectors of the economy we have to prepare for the future.

As the Press Association reports, the motion also called for the government to introduce high standards for flood resilience for buildings and infrastructure in high risk areas, implement programmes to help farmers adapt to climate change impact, and update planning and construction standards to future-proof housing against higher summer temperatures to protect people from heat-related deaths.

Nick Clegg's morning interviews - Summary

Here are the main points from the Nick Clegg interviews this morning.

  • Clegg said that he expected the Lib Dems to avoid electoral disaster in 2015 because they had always managed to “confound the sceptics”.

I’ve literally lost count of the times, with the greatest respect, that I’ve been asked questions saying ‘oh isn’t it going to be a disaster? Aren’t you going to be wiped out? Isn’t it all going to be terrible?’ And every time we confound the sceptics and I genuinely think we will do so next year.

The Lib Dems did have the fight of their lives ahead, he said. But he said the atmosphere at the conference was positive.

It’s an incredibly lively atmosphere here. People are really up for it, they’re really up for the fight. We know we’ve got the fight of our lives on our hands, but we’re incredibly proud, as I say, of what we’ve done and actually people are really relishing getting out there to tell our side of the story on the campaign trail in the coming months.

  • He sidestepped questions about whether the Lib Dems would agree to an in/out referendum on the EU in 2017. Asked about a Financial Times story saying the Lib Dems are willing to give up their opposition to such a referendum (see 8.33am), Clegg said that he was in favour of a referendum, not at the “arbitrary” date chosen by the Tories, but instead when there is a proposal to transfer powers to Brussels, as the coalition spelt out in a new law.

I have no dispute at all with people who want a referendum. I’ve been arguing all my adult political life that we should have a referendum when the rules change and new things are asked of the British people.

What I’ve always disagreed with is that the Conservatives have turned this into a kind of internal trauma. They are constantly like rats in a sack arguing about this European thing.

They keep reopening it, and keep reinventing the wheel about when that referendum will take place.

It’s something Steve is looking at because as he has pointed out the tax relief paid for by ordinary taxpayers in the pension tax relief system go disproportionately to people who are better off than others since you have a distribution of wealth through those tax reliefs from the poorer to the richer. It is something he is looking at but it is not a policy we are committed to yet.

  • Clegg said that, under the Lib Dem plans for a mansion tax, people who could not afford the annual charge would be able to pay with money from their estate after their death.
  • He accused the Tories of just spraying around “unfunded moon-on-a-stick-type promises”.
  • He said the Conservatives took “a very sharp turn to the right” at their conference and Labour took “a very sharp turn to the left”.

I’ve taken some of the quotes from the Press Association and from PoliticsHome.

In his LBC interview, after Nick Ferrari read an extract from Quentin Letts’ Daily Mail sketch about yesterday’s conference, Nick Clegg described Letts as “humourless”.

Really? To allow you to decide for yourself (and to liven up the morning) here’s an extract from Letts’ sketch.

The main chamber has blue, cinema-style seats, most empty. Classical music tinkles in the background while we wait for speeches. A hush. One or two snores. It reminded me of boyhood trips on weekday afternoons at the old Regal cinema in Cirencester (before they pulled it down): a handful of solitary, sad souls sucking on Revels.

The melancholy was enough to make one want to stab oneself with a Kia-Ora pouch’s plastic straw.

At the Regal they used to have a commissionaire with a big torch. Here there are friendly Lib Dem officials wearing shiny, yellow sashes which say: ‘How Can I Help You?’ They are there to give directions to the surging masses, but the masses, alas, have chosen to surge elsewhere. Off-licences in Mosul might be busier than this.

It’s like being at a Minor Counties cricket match when the best the home team can hope for is a draw. Or coalition, to use the technical term.

The main Nick Clegg interviews are finally over. I’m in the press room at the Lib Dem conference and colleagues are not exactly bowled over with excitement at the news they’ve generated. Still, we can always squeeze the flannel to get something out of them.

I’ll post a summary soon.

Q: Where are you on the bedroom tax?

Clegg says he would not it to people who could not move to a smaller home.

Q: So you have changed your mind?

No, says Clegg. He has looked at the evidence. When you look at the evidence in life, it is sensible to adapt.

Q: Theresa May’s adviser described you using a word that rhymes with banker.

Clegg says he is not worried what someone silly and juvenile said.

Q: Has May replied to your letter?

No, says Clegg.

He says she “crossed the line” when she accused the Lib Dems of putting lives at risk.

Q: What counts as rich?

It is not just about salaries.

Q: So how do you judge?

Clegg says you do not just tax salaries. The Lib Dems want to increase taxes on dividends.

Q: Are you going off the mansion tax?

No, says Clegg. He is in favour of having new council tax bands. They would come in for homes worth more than £2m.

Q: What about someone in Kew on a fixed income, living in a house worth £2.5m. How would they pay?

Clegg says you could take the money from their estate.

Q: So you would tax them when they’re dead.

Clegg says the council tax would be due. Everyone accepts you have to pay council tax.

The Tories do not want to ask Russian oligarchs, or people - he says he won’t mention Alan Sugar, but people like Alan Sugar - to pay more.

Q: Why is your party doing so badly in the polls?

Clegg says in some areas, where it is not strong, it is getting backed a lot. It cannot rely on people like Quentin Letts to get its message across. But in other places, where it is active, it gets a hearing.

The Lib Dems have got the “fight of our lives” ahead.

He says he has count of the number of times people say the end is nigh. But they always confound the critics, he says.

What do people want? They want people to level with them, and to deal with the deficit.

Q: How easy is it for you to criticise government policies when you are part of the government?

Clegg says it was easy for him to criticise what the Tories were saying last week because that was not goverment policy.

Clegg's LBC interview

LBC listeners never got to hear much from Nick Clegg. But Nick Ferrari is interviewing him now to make up for that.

Q: Quentin Letts says your party reminds him of a minor county cricket match, when the best the home team can hope for is a draw.

Clegg says commentators like that are known for their pompous, humourless approach.

He says people say politicians are the same. But the choices facing people are starker than he expected.

On the Today programme Mishal Hussein said it is being reported today that Nick Clegg would agree to an in/out referendum on the EU in coalition talks with the Tories.

She was referring to this story in the Financial Times (subscription). Here’s how it starts.

A 2017 popular vote on Britain’s membership of the EU is more likely than ever, with senior Liberal Democrats having told the Financial Times they are willing to give up their opposition to a referendum if the party were to enter into coalition talks with the Conservative party next year.

Lib Dem ministers and officials have told the FT they believe the Conservatives will refuse to negotiate on holding an EU vote two years after the next election They are drawing up plans to demand a heavy price in return ...

One minister told the FT: “We can’t stop the Tories having their EU referendum, but it puts us in a strong negotiating position. We want them to give us a grand package of constitutional measures in return.”

These measures are likely to include voting reform for local government, changes to rules on party funding and possibly even resurrecting doomed plans to overhaul the House of Lords, which were killed by Conservative resistance in 2012.

We’re now getting the Nick Robinson post-match analysis.

Robinson says it is quite easy to see how another Conservative/Lib Dem coalition could work. He could see them agreeing to a 1% rise in benefits, and extra council tax bands. And he could see the Lib Dems accepting an EU referendum. The Lib Dems are being careful not to say anything that would make a coalition impossible.

He also says it is difficult to get people enthused about “moderation” as an idea. But that does not mean that, come polling day, people might not be attracted by the idea of voting Lib Dem to moderate the other parties.

Q: Steve Webb suggested raising money by cutting pension tax relief.

Clegg says Webb is looking at this. The tax relief money goes disproportionately to the wealthy. But this is not party policy yet.

Q: On Europe, you say you are a passionate European. Yet it is reported today you would agree to an in/out referendum in a coalition with the Tories.

Clegg says he is a major advocate of an in/out referendum. The government even legislated for a referendum when power is transferred to the EU. But the Tories “reinvented the wheel” and called for a referendum by an arbitrary date, 2017.

The government has legislated for a referendum.

Q: But that’s not relevant when there is no prospect of power being transferred to Brussels.

Clegg disagrees. He says you should not have referendums lightly. The Conservatives have plucked this date from the air. And David Cameron’s renegotiation will be cosmetic, he suggests.

Q: So why not have a referendum?

Clegg says he has committed to one - when powers are transferred to the Europe.

Q: Do you realise how damaging it was in your debate with Nigel Farage when you said you did not expect Europe to change.

Clegg says he said the single market would survive.

Q: Does free movement of people bother you?

Clegg says what bothers him is the idea that people can come to the UK and claim benefit, he says.

Q: The Tories says they would cut benefits by £3bn to cut the deficit.

Clegg says it is not clear whether the Tories would use this money for cutting the deficit, or for tax cuts.

Q: You would raise £1.5bn from the mansion tax. Where else would you get the money.

Clegg says the party’s general approach would be to take 80% from spending cuts, and 20% from tax cuts.

Q: But the mansion tax is just a drop in the ocean.

Clegg says Danny Alexander said yesterday they could save £10bn from efficiency savings.

Clegg mentions the savings from dividend tax announced on Saturday.

Q: But that was money just for the NHS.

Clegg says the Lib Dems are setting out an “approach” as to how they would tackle the deficit, as well as some measures.

Clegg's Today programme interview

Mishal Hussein is interviewing Nick Clegg on Today.

Q: Aren’t voters confused about your core pitch?

I hope not, says Clegg. The party has always been anchored on the Liberal centre ground. And the choice for people next May has become more dramatic, because Labour refuse to talk about the economy. And there was a “bombshell moment” last week when George Osborne said the Tories would only ask the working poor to pay for cutting the deficit. It’s a dismal choice.

Q: But you’ve kept the Tories in office.

Clegg says the Lib Dems have restrained the Tories in office.

The Tories have moved rapidly to the right. And Labour have moved to the left. Clegg says the Lib Dems have held firm.

Q: But holding firm is not an ideology. What do you stand for?

Clegg says what has always distinguished British liberalism is an emphasis on opportunity, so that everyone has a chance to get on. Look at what the Lib Dems have done; expanding apprenticeships, allowing people to keep more of their money, the pupil premium.

Clegg says he thinks people understand why parties make compromises in coalition.

Q: What cuts would you implement?

Clegg mentions cutting winter fuel payments for wealthy pensioners, and the tax on expensive homes.

More will be announced between now and the general election, both spending cuts and tax increases.

But Osborne wants to balance the books just by swingeing cuts to public services.

Clegg says he cannot understand why the Conservatives don’t want to ask people in £5m homes to pay more, but they would take money from the poor.

Q: Would you support the Conservatives’ plan to raise the 40p tax threshold?

Clegg says raising the basic rate tax allowance benefits people in the 40p tax bracket.

But the Conservatives want to give a special tax cut for the 40p group, worth four to five times as much as raising the basic tax threshold.

And that’s it from Radio 5 Live. It’s the Today programme next, at 8.10am.

Nick Clegg's interview on BBC Radio 5

Nicky Campbell is interviewing Nick Clegg.

Q: Is your face going to be on many Lib Dem leaflets. You don’t have a displeasing face.

Clegg says that is one of the nicest things Campbell has said to him in their many interviews.

Q: But aren’t you a liability?

Clegg says this is a ridiculous line of questioning. It does not matter what passport photo is on election leaflets.

What matters is having a strong economy and fair society.

Q: What is the deficit?

George Osborne said last week you need to find £25bn. Danny Alexander said yesterday we had found £126bn to deal with the deficit. That’s a mixture of spending cuts and tax increases.

It was “unorthodox”, to put it mildly, for George Osborne to say he would not ask the rich to pay more.

You’ll be hearing a lot from Nick Clegg today. He’s doing a large round of interviews this morning - more than 10, including local radio stations - and then this afternoon he’s doing a Q&A with activists in the conference hall.

Otherwise the highlight will probably be Vince Cable’s speech. As the Guardian reports, Cable will announce plans to raise the minimum wage for apprentices by a third, from £2.73 to £3.79 an hour.

So far I’ve heard three of Clegg interviews. They haven’t been particularly revealing, although Clegg’s optimism is quite striking. This is what he said when asked if he was worried about his party being wiped out.

I’ve been leader for seven years or so now. I’ve literally lost count of the number of times I’ve been asked questions saying, ‘Isn’t it a disaster, aren’t you going to be wiped out, isn’t it going to be terrible?’ And every time we confound the sceptics. And I genuinely think we will do so next year. Not because I’m being naive about this. Of course this has been tough for us over the last few years. But my experience - speaking to my friends and colleagues here, we all experience the same - [is] when we get out and tell our side of the story ... the more we do get people to support us in those areas where we are competing for those votes.

“Every time we confound the sceptics.” Perhaps Clegg has forgotten about the European elections.

Here’s the agenda for the day.

9am: Debate on climate change.

10am: Kirsty Williams, the Lib Dem leader in Wales, speaks.

10.20am: Debate on affordable homes.

11.20am: Debate on flooding.

12.20pm: Vince Cable, the business secretary, speaks.

2.20pm: Presentation on same-sex marriage

2.40pm: Jo Swinson, the consumer affairs minister, speaks.

3pm: Nick Clegg holds a Q&A with activists.

3.45pm: Debate on equalities.

5.15pm: Parliamentary reports.

As usual, I’ll be covering all the conference proceedings, as well as bringing you the best comment and analysis from the web.

If you want to follow me on Twitter, I’m on @Andrew Sparrow.

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