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Rolling coverage of all the day’s political developments as they happen, including George Osborne’s speech announcing 9 new prisons and David Cameron’s speech to the CBI
  
  

Vote Leave protesters heckling during David Cameron’s speech to the CBI.
Vote Leave protesters heckling during David Cameron’s speech to the CBI. Photograph: Dominic Lipinski/PA

Afternoon summary

  • Vote Leave, the anti-EU campaign, has said that it is planning more disruptive protests of the kind staged at the CBI conference today while David Cameron was speaking. As the Press Association reports, Vote Leave - the highest profile group vying to be the official voice of “Brexit” at the in/out referendum - set up a fake firm to get two teenagers access to the CBI’s annual gathering. The pair - named by the campaign as 19-year-olds Phil Sheppard and Peter Lyon - interrupted Cameron’s address with cries of “CBI - voice of Brussels” before being escorted out by security staff. They said they were concerned that the business group was “misrepresenting the view of British businesses” because many small and medium sized firms believed Brussels was more of a hindrance than a help. Robert Oxley, head of media at Vote Leave, said:

Student for Britain is a network of students that believes the country can have a better future if we take back control and stop sending so much money to the EU. They wanted to protest to make this point to as many people as possible. We will be working together closely during the campaign to do more of these protests - particularly at the AGMs of big companies who try to scare the British people into voting to remain.

  • Boris Johnson has said that great leaders must risk their popularity by being prepared to “betray” and “greatly cheese off” their supporters. Speaking in Israel at an event with the former Israeli prime minister and president Shimon Peres, he said:

I think the crucial thing, I’m afraid, is that not only do leaders have to be servants of the people but they also have to disobey them. This is a terrible thing to say but the greatest leaders are those who have a huge popular mandate, have huge support for whatever cause it happens to be and then betray that cause in the name of what is right and do the right thing, and greatly cheese off their supporters. The greatest leaders are those who take a huge risk of one kind or another for the sake of what they think is actually the right thing to do, and to abandon their supporters. That takes a huge amount of guts.

(Quite what the implications of this are for his own career are not clear. Any ideas?)

That’s all from me for today.

Thanks for the comments.

Updated

Here are some more pictures from George Osborne and Michael Gove’s visit to Brixton prison this morning.

John Curtice, the psephologist, has written a useful blog for What UK Thinks looking at the polling on the EU referendum. He says the Remain camp seems to be ahead, and that phone polls give it a much bigger lead than internet polls.

Here’s an excerpt.

To date, there have been 16 Britain wide polls of how people propose to vote in response to the question that will appear on the ballot paper, ‘Should the United Kingdom remain in the EU or leave the EU’. On average these polls have put Remain on 45%, and Leave 39%. The remaining 16% say they do not know how they will vote (or occasionally that they will not vote). If we put those 16% aside (and they are clearly numerous enough to tip the balance in one direction or the other), the figures point to a 54% vote for Remain and 46% for Leave ...

Of the 16 polls, 14 have been conducted via online panels (with as many as nine of these conducted by ICM). Nearly all of these have suggested that the race is currently a very close one indeed. On average they have put Remain on 43%, Leave on 39% – or on 52% and 48% respectively if we put the Don’t Knows to one side.

However, the picture painted by the two polls that were conducted via the telephone is rather different. These have both suggested that the Remain campaign is well ahead. One, conducted by ComRes in September put Remain on 55% and Leave on 36%, while the other, undertaken by Ipsos MORI in October, reckoned 52% would currently vote to Remain and again just 36% to Leave. Between them they suggest that Remain are as much as three to two ahead amongst those with a current vote intention – and that therefore the Leave campaign is left with all the work to do.

The Green party has selected Simeon Hart to be their candidate in the Oldham West and Royton byelection.

Hart, who is deaf, is a former general election candidate for the party and a longstanding disability rights campaigner. He was the only deaf British Sign Language user to stand as a candidate at the last election.

Natalie Bennett, the Green party leader, said:

I am absolutely delighted Simeon’s local party has selected him - as they did earlier in the year. Simeon is a groundbreaker who has proven himself to be a passionate and talented campaigner and activist on disabled rights.

The people of Oldham West and Royton understand that the current Westminster political system is no longer able to deliver the real change people and planet so desperately need. In Simeon they have a candidate committed to improving education, taking back our health service and securing a safe climate for our children and grandchildren.

Lunchtime summary

The NHS England chief executive has told HSJ that negotiations are ongoing ahead of the chancellor’s announcement on 25 November, but cautioned that “considerably more progress is needed”.

In particular he indicated that, under current plans, the NHS’s requirement for enhanced funding in the forthcoming two financial years was not yet met. He has requested that the £8bn real terms spending growth this parliament, which the government has already committed to, be “frontloaded”.

  • Boris Johnson, the mayor of London, has said a “completely crazy” trade boycott against Israel lacks support - with only a “few lefty academics” pursuing the cause. As the Press Association reports, speaking on a visit to Israel, he said:

[A trade boycott] would be completely crazy. Why would you - of all the countries in the region, why would you boycott the one which is actually a functioning democracy and a pluralist, open society and all the rest of it? I think the movement for a boycott is not very well supported. A few lefty academics probably.

  • Cameron has been hecked at the CBI conference by two teenage protesters criticising the CBI for being too pro-European. Britain Stronger in Europe said this was a “grubby protest” that showed “how desperate Vote Leave have already become”.

David Cameron’s instincts are spot-on. In principle, the UK will be more prosperous and more secure in a reformed EU that respects each member nations’ right to tailor its engagement according to their history, strategic priorities and economic circumstances. The result will be a stronger, more secure, more influential Europe.

And Gen Sir Richard Shirreff, the former deputy supreme allied commander Europe, said the EU was “a huge force for stability and security” in the world.

  • Osborne has insisted negotiations on next month’s spending review are going smoothly, amid reports that he is at loggerheads with work and pensions secretary Iain Duncan Smith over demands to take money from his welfare budget to pay for the chancellor’s climbdown on tax credits. Asked about those stories, he told journalists:

Compared to the other two spending reviews I have done, this one is going more smoothly and we are making further and faster progress. Things are going very much as we would hope them to go.

  • Osborne has played down suggestions he might find money to lessen the impact of the tax credit cuts by cutting the size of the £10bn surplus he is planning to run by 2019-20. Asked if he would do this, he replied:

You don’t want to be just over the line, because a lot can happen over the coming years and these forecasts can move around. That’s why I think you want a reasonably comfortable margin in delivering a surplus.

Updated

Number 10 lobby briefing - Summary

Here are the key points from the Number 10 lobby briefing.

  • Downing Street said the chief of the defence staff, Gen Sir Nicholas Houghton, was entitled to criticise Jeremy Corbyn’s unilateralism yesterday. (See 12.29pm.)
  • Number 10 denied a story in the Times saying Cameron wanted to hold the EU referendum in June next year. “It is wrong to suggest that the government has taken a decision,” the prime minister’s spokeswoman said. “We have been clear throughout that the government will be driven by the substance, not by the schedule.”

It is important that the UK has a strong and close relationship with India as an important partner ... The prime minister has already had a bilateral meeting with [Modi when they met at a summit in Australia last year]. We are focusing on building a strong relationship and moving foward.

  • The spokesman said that by this morning more than 5,000 British tourists stranded in Sharm el-Sheikh had been brought home.

Updated

No 10 says head of armed forces was entitled to criticise Corbyn's views on nuclear weapons

This is what the prime minister’s spokeswoman said when asked if David Cameron was worried about Gen Sir Nicholas Houghton, the chief of the defence staff, getting involved in party politics by criticising Jeremy Corbyn’s views on nuclear weapons. She said:

The chief of the armed forces was talking to Andrew Marr. He made a point about the credibility of deterrence. He was clear that he was not talking about a personal thing.

At this point a report made the point that criticising Corbyn did seem pretty personal. The spokeswoman went on:

He was asked about deterrence. He made the point about the credibility of the deterrent.

As the principal military adviser to the government, it is reasonable for the chief of the defence staff to talk about how you retain the credibility of one of the most important weapons in your armoury.

  • No 10 says head of the armed forces was entitled to criticise Corbyn’s views on nuclear weapons because he’s the “principal military adviser to the government”.

Updated

Hilary Benn, the shadow foreign secretary, has issued this response to David Cameron’s CBI speech.

It is important that the way in which the European Union works changes to reflect a changing world and Britain’s priorities. But we also have to say clearly that Britain is stronger and more successful because we are part of the EU. The prime minister knows this but because of the difficulties in his own party he still can’t bring himself to say it to the British people.

I’m back from the Number 10 lobby briefing.

The best line was Number 10 strongly defending the right of Gen Sir Nicholas Houghton, the head of the armed forces, to speak out about nuclear deterrence (and denigrate Jeremy Corbyn) on the Marr show yesterday.

I will post a summary shortly.

Here is more on the anti-EU, anti-CBI protesters.

I’m off to the Number 10 lobby briefing (which is at 11.30am today). I will post again after 12pm.

Cameron speech to the CBI - Summary and analysis

Tomorrow David Cameron is going to publish the letter he is writing to Donald Tusk, president of the European Council, setting out Britain’s demands in the EU negotiation. Today we learn that Tusk should not expect a letter because Cameron will be able to fit it all in on the back of a postcard. He has boiled it down to one word.

In news terms, there is not much surprise in what that word is (“flexibility”). What was interesting about the speech was not so much the content, which was not particularly novel, but the presentation. As he focuses increasingly on the renegotiation, and the forthcoming EU referendum, Cameron is finessing his argument, and boiling it down to some voter-friendly messages. The Telegraph’s Ben Riley-Smith points out two of them.

Here are the key points.

  • Cameron said he had no “emotional attachment” to the EU institutions. He was just interested in what was right for Britain, he said.

I don’t have any emotional attachment to the institutions of the European Union. But I have a very strong emotional and practical attachment to asking the simple questions for Britain: How do we have more influence in the world? How do we have more prosperity? How do we have more jobs? How do we do the best for this country we love? For me, that’s what it’s all about.

  • He said his EU renegotiation demands could be summed up in one word: flexibility.

In a way you can boil down all of my renegotiation to one word: flexibility. Is this organisation flexible enough to make sure that that countries inside the eurozone can grow and succeed, and countries outside the eurozone, like Britain, can find what they need as well? If it’s flexible enough, we’ll stay. If it’s not flexible enough, we have to ask ourselves a very profound question: Is this organisation for us?

He also said, at another point, that he wanted a “live and let live” Europe.

  • He said that he was not starting the referendum campaign now, but that he did want to confront some “duff” arguments about the EU. One of these was the claim that Britain would be better off like Norway, outside the EU but with access to the single market. In fact, this would mean Britain being subject to regulations it could not control, he said.
  • He said another “duff” argument was that Britain could not survive outside the EU.

Today I want to debunk an argument that is sometime put around by those who say, ‘Stay in Europe, come what may’. Some people seem to say that really Britain couldn’t survive, couldn’t do okay outside the European Union. I don’t think that’s true. Let’s be frank, Britain is an amazing country. We’ve got the fifth biggest economy in the word ... The argument isn’t whether Britain could survive outside the EU. Of course it could.

  • He insisted that he was serious about leaving the EU if he did not get what he wanted in the renegotiation. Patience should not be confused for lack of resolve, he said.

Patiently setting out a list of very sensible changes shouldn’t be mistaken for a lack of resolve. If these things can’t be fixed, then Britain would naturally ask: Do we belong in this organisation?

  • He claimed he was still committed to stopping EU migrants claiming benefits for four years. But, when asked about this, he left out the point about “four years” in his reply, suggesting he may be reconciled to some form of compromise on this. (See 10.13am.) This is what he said in response to the question from the BBC.

On the migrant issue, we have not changed our view at all. We believe that what is set out in the manifesto is right for Britain, right for Europe and needs to change.

  • He said he wanted Britain to have mega tech companies like Google or Facebook.

Updated

Vote Leave, the more prominent Out campaign, was behind the heckling protest at the CBI.

Q: What more can be done to promote diversity?

Cameron says moving to the use of name-blind application forms can make a big difference.

This is not some form of political correctness, he says.

It is about effectiveness. He says firms want to hire the best people. If they lock out people, either because of gender or race, they will miss out on talent.

This is an issue about effectiveness, not just fairness, he says.

And that’s it. The Q&A is over.

I’ll post a summary shortly.

Cameron says Britain is a good country to lead an anti-corruption drive globally, because it has a good anti-corruption record. It is holding an international conference on this.

Cameron says Britain needs companies like Google or Facebook

Q: What can be done to promote tech start-ups in the UK?

Cameron says Britain is doing better than other European countries are creating a pro-tech, pro-entrepreneur market. There is a real buzz in this sector in Britain.

But Britain has not had mega-businesses, like Google or Facebook. We need that kind of ambition.

  • Cameron says Britain needs companies like Google or Facebook.

One thing the government is doing is encouraging coding in schools.

And the planning system is more flexible.

But the government would like to hear ideas about what could be done, he says.

He says he met the head of Lego recently. The Lego boss said the firm was setting up in the UK because it was the best place in Europe for technology.

Here is some video of the heckling.

Updated

Cameron says he wants a 'live and let live' Europe

Q: Your EU plans will require treaty change. Some countries will have to vote on those. How can you be confident countries like Ireland, for example, will vote for these measures?

Cameron says his plans will require treaty change.

He wants an assurance that the changes are “legally binding and irreversible”.

But he is confident he can do this.

That’s because other countries want changes too, for example on “ever closer union”.

He wants a “live and let live” Europe.

Cameron says his EU demands can be summed up by the word 'flexibility'

Cameron is now taking questions.

Q: How can you succeed in a negotiation when everyone thinks you are bluffing? People think you want to stay in the EU whatever happens.

Cameron says he could not have been more clear with EU colleagues. He has seen very president and prime minister and patiently said what needs to change.

But patience should not be confused for lack of resolve.

If these problems cannot be fixed, what is the point of saying.

His demands can be boiled down to one word: flexibility.

He wants to ensure that the EU is flexible enough.

Q: Are you still committed to stopping EU migrants claiming benefits for four years after they arrive?

Cameron says what was set out in the Conservative manifesto has not changed.

In his answer, Cameron does not mention the four-year timetable.

Q: Given the trouble you have over tax credits, how can we be sure you have the stomach for another round of austerity?

Cameron says the government has to make sure the economy is safe and secure.

Updated

Cameron says he has no emotional attachment to the EU institutions

Cameron says another argument he wants to “debunk” is the one that Britain could not survive outside the EU.

Britain could survive outside the EU, he says. It has the fifth largest economy.

The argument is not about whether Britain could survive outside the EU. It is about whether or not it would be better off outside the EU.

He goes on:

I don’t have any emotional attachment to the institutions of the European Union.

But he is firmly committed to Britain, and what’s best for Britain. The referendum will be about what’s best for Britain.

Cameron says he is not firing the starting gun for the campaign this week.

But he does want to debunk some of the “duff” arguments used by those hostile to the EU.

One argument is that Britain would be better off being like Norway, outside the EU, but with access to it.

But that is not the case, he says. He made the argument against this option last week, saying Norway does not have control over the regulations it has to obey.

Cameron now turns to Europe.

He says he will not say much about this, because he is giving a big speech on this tomorrow.

But the publication of his letter to Donald Tusk, the president of the European Council, setting out Britain’s demands will be important, he says.

He says, if he gets what he wants, he will campaign vigorously to stay in.

And if he does not get what he wants, he will rule nothing out.

Cameron says he is not saying he has abolished boom and bust.

That is why the public finances need to be “strong and robust”, he says.

He urges business to help explain to the public why in some years it is important to run a surplus.

Cameron is now being heckled.

He urges them to be quiet, telling them he will take questions at the end.

Cameron says he wants business to help the government extend its equality agenda.

He reminds the audience what he said at the party conference about name-blind applications.

Cameron says the “national living wage” will be a challenge for business.

But it is the right challenge, he says.

It makes no sense to take lots of money from people in tax, and then give it back to them in benefits.

So please work with us on this, he says.

(Last week John Cridland, the outgoing director general of the CBI, said raising the “national living wage” to £9 an hour was a gamble.)

Cameron says he wants to make Britain the best place in the world to do business.

But we need to do better on skills, he says.

Cameron's speech to the CBI

David Cameron is speaking to the CBI now.

He starts by welcoming the fact that a woman, Carolyn Fairbairn, is becoming the new head of the CBI.

He says this has been a good period for enterprise. Britain has four of the 10 “unicorns” in Europe, he says, referring to start-ups now worth $1bn.

Cameron says his speech will specifically talk about Europe and the deficit.

Osborne says prison system is a 'shocking example of state failure'

Here are some Twitter highlights from George Osborne’s speech.

  • Osborne says prison system is a “shocking example of state failure”.


George Osborne was giving his speech this morning at a building site in West London. The venue didn’t go down particularly well with reporters.

I’m not sure if Pentonville jail in north London will be put up for sale, but in the summer my colleague Hilary Osborne discovered that, if it were sold for housing, it would raise more than £200m.

My colleague Alan Travis, the Guardian’s home affairs editor, is making a similar point to Frances Crook.

Howard League for Penal Reform criticises prison building programme

Michael Gove, the justice secretary, said this morning that one of the problems with Victorian prisons is that they contain “the dark corners which too often facilitate violence and drug-taking”.

But Frances Crook, head of the Howard League for Penal Reform, says he’s wrong.

In a recent blog about Gove’s speech to the Howard League (which left her “blown away”, she said, because of his commitment to rehabilitation), Crook said closing old prisons and replacing them with new ones was a bad idea.

[Gove] re-floated the idea of closing Victorian prisons and building airy new prisons. I think this is a non-starter.

Firstly, it is not clear who owns the land on which the Victorian prisons sit and you can’t sell what you don’t own.

Secondly, it is not that the Victorian prisons are badly designed, they are just overcrowded. Oxford prison has been turned into a very swanky hotel so it is possible to make the buildings sanitary and functional and they are anyway quite beautiful. So the problem is not the buildings, it is the overcrowding.

Thirdly, which egg will come first? If he closes the Victorian prisons and reduces prison numbers what is the point of building expensive new prisons that will just encourage the courts to use them. If he builds new prisons before closing the Victorian jails, the new ones will fill up and then he will have both new and old.

I was encouraged that the Secretary of State responded to a question from the audience about reducing prison numbers positively. That is the way forward. It is sensible, it is safe and it is cost-effective.

This morning Crook has been using Twitter to develop this argument.

Updated

The first prison to be sold under the programme announced by George Osborne is Reading jail. Given its literary pedigree, Michael Gove will probably be sorry to see it go.

Gove says having modern prisons will help rehabilitation

Here are more quotes from the Treasury news release about the prison building announcement.

From George Osborne

This spending review is about reform as much as it is about making savings.

One important step will be to modernise the prison estate. So many of our jails are relics from Victorian times on prime real estate in our inner cities.

So we are going to reform the infrastructure of our prison system, building new institutions which are modern, suitable and rehabilitative. And we will close old, outdated prisons in city centres, and sell the sites to build thousands of much-needed new homes.

This will save money, reform an outdated public service and create opportunity by boosting construction jobs and offering more people homes to buy.

From Michael Gove, the justice secretary

This investment will mean we can replace ageing and ineffective Victorian prisons with new facilities fit for the modern world.

We will be able to design out the dark corners which too often facilitate violence and drug-taking.

And we will be able to build a prison estate which allows prisoners to be rehabilitated, so they turn away from crime.

It is only through better rehabilitation that we will reduce reoffending, cut crime and make our streets safer.

Gove is keen to show that he is deeply serious about prison reform. As I reported on the blog on Thursday, he got rave reviews at the Howard League for Penal Reform when he spoke to them last week about his commitment to improving rehabilitation and cutting the number of people in jail.

George Osborne, the chancellor, will soon be starting a speech in London. Last night the Treasury released some extracts about how he has agreed spending cuts with four departments equivalent to 8% a year for the next four years, or around 30% in total. But there is another story in the speech too, and this morning the Treasury said he would be announcing plans to close Victorian prisons and replace them with nine new jails. Here’s an extract from the news release.

Chancellor George Osborne and Justice Secretary Michael Gove have today unveiled a major new prison reform programme including plans to build 9 new prisons.

The radical reforms will ensure Britain’s prison system is fit for purpose in the twenty-first century, and the new prisons will allow the government to close old Victorian prisons in city centres and sell the sites for housing.

This will allow over 3000 new homes to be built, boosting house building in urban areas and helping thousands of working people achieve their dream of owning a home. The Victorian prison site at Reading will be the first to be sold.

Around 10,000 prison places will move from outdated sites to the new prisons, significantly improving rehabilitation, and saving around £80m per year due to the reduced costs of modern facilities.

I will post more on the speech shortly.

And we’ve also got a speech from David Cameron to the CBI, although this is not to be confused with the big Europe speech he is making tomorrow. Confusingly, Number 10 have been briefing lengthy extracts from the Tuesday speech, but they have said relatively little about the speech he is giving today.

Here is the agenda.

8.45am: George Osborne gives his speech. Later he and Michael Gove, the justice secretary, will visit Brixton prison in London.

Morning: David Cameron speaks to the CBI.

10am: The legal challenge to the election of former Scottish secretary Alistair Carmichael resumes in the court in Edinburgh.

11am: Number 10 lobby briefing.

2pm: Cameron meets Enda Kenny, the Irish prime minister, at Number 10.

As usual, I will also be covering breaking political news as it happens, as well as bringing you the best reaction, comment and analysis from the web. I will post a summary at lunchtime and another in the afternoon.

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